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Linking gone wild: Yahoo's news software invited readers to browse photos of underage girls

News Type: Event — Seeded on Sun Aug 3, 2008 9:28 PM EDT
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It wasn't what anyone expected to see while perusing a news article.

But there, in the final paragraph of an online story about the call girl involved in the Eliot Spitzer scandal, Yahoo's automated system was inviting readers to browse through photos of underage girls.

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tigerblade

Some of the pictures showed nothing untoward, while several captions claimed that attached photos showed underage drinking. Clicking on the pop-up window yielded more-disturbing results: hundreds of images, including some of a girl or woman in pigtails, knee socks and lingerie. One photo showed a faceless female body, naked.

Hmm, that's not good. Not good at all.

Apparently they "rewrote their code" to deal with it... I wonder if the writer just underestimates the effort involved in that, or if they actually did rewrite their code.

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    Reply#1 - Sun Aug 3, 2008 9:33 PM EDT
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    Brian Ford

    That raises the unsavory prospect that "underage girls" could be among the most popular searches on Yahoo, said Chris Sherman, executive editor of the industry Web site Search Engine Land.

    Sigh. FUD. It's probably very easy to find out where that phrase ranks when it comes to number of searches on yahoo, but that would have required a bit of effort on the part of a journalist.

    Frankly, I don't think the link is the issue. The issue is that Flickr contained several pictures of young girls without privacy settings turned on in their accounts, often in various states of undress. The content was available to anyone who happened to see it, and -- apparently, it was tagged in some fashion so as to be related to an "underage girls" in a yahoo search.

    Most of it was probably posted BY stupid, underage girls who thought it would be funny. My guess is that the vast majority of pedophiles don't frequent public accounts on Flickr for posting their pics of underaged girls.

    Although Busath notes that Flickr users and employees monitor the site's content and report problematic images, a search of the site for the words "underage girls" turned up 428 photos.

    BFD. It now turns up 102, and of those, many don't even involve girls.

    I fully expect to see:

    "Parents, what are your little girls doing on Flickr that might shock you? Find out at 10!"

    ...on the news tomorrow night.

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    Reply#2 - Sun Aug 3, 2008 10:43 PM EDT
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    tigerblade

    "Parents, what are your little girls doing on Flickr that might shock you? Find out at 10!"

    "Flickr, home to pedophiles the world over! Find out how you can protect your family from the INTERWEBS!!"

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      #2.1 - Sun Aug 3, 2008 11:28 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":2360190,"authorDomain":"mindydamico"}
      Mindy DAmico

      Organized producers of pornography are so prolific on the web and their activities infiltrate websites in such amounts that it is becoming more troublesome to manage.

      Each fix that is created in the code to stop how they were able to get into various services the last time are undone in mere minutes and another method of introduction is initiated. These efforts to prevent pornographic images are easily stepped around every day.

      Pornographers are more prolific on the web than any other type of site and they will do whatever is necessary to place their material where there is the slightest chance it will entice someone to view their images.

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      Reply#3 - Mon Aug 4, 2008 10:36 AM EDT
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      Brian Ford

      Pornographers are more prolific on the web than any other type of site and they will do whatever is necessary to place their material where there is the slightest chance it will entice someone to view their images.

      You're confusing terms: Pornographers and "child pornographers" are two different groups of people.

      ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

      I agree that if pornographers were *allowed* to post content on public Flickr photos as a way to entice people to pay sites, they would. I also believe that pornographers are a business with an interest in staying as legal as possible and *most* aren't going to do anything that threatens their income, which is what posting pornographic content on Flickr would do. Pornographers have to walk a very fine line between what they can legally use to draw people in and where they can post that content. Porn is a regulated industry.

      Producers of child pornography KNOW that what they're doing isn't legal, and therefore there is NO WAY that they would attempt to utilize an open, well-policed site like Flickr to push their wares, certainly not by posting ACTUAL child pornography with tags that label it as such. If they were going to do it, they'd use codes and seemingly innocent key photographs as a way to point to private sites and repositories that people interested in Child Pornography could utilize. Flickr would simply be a middle man. Child pornography IS NOT a regulated industry -- it's an underground illegal operation that simply doesn't work in the same way that the legal porn industry works.

      Doing this would be a bit like a heroin dealer placing an add for his supply on craig's list. It just isn't going to happen with people who take heroin dealing seriously. If they're going to do that, they're going to be very sneaky about it, using code words, etc.

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      #3.1 - Mon Aug 4, 2008 11:10 AM EDT
      {"commentId":2402670,"authorDomain":"mindydamico"}
      Mindy DAmico

      I really didn't want to go into child pornography at all in my post because it is so devastating and hard to comprehend why someone would be attracted to destroying the lives of children.

      I counsel teens in my son's youth group and it is amazing what they face when using the internet. I can post most anything I want about me on the internet and not be harranged with invitations for sexual favors but let a child post a comment somewhere that has a cute smile and watch the responses begging for intimacy start piling up in the thread.

      Yes, there is a huge difference between child pornography and standard pornography. I have been involved in locating and reporting several stalkers of children...and I live in a small town of less than 3500 people... If I have reported more than 3 people imagine how many are in urban areas.

      The only thing that is at all good about these links being located is that if law enforcement follows through with the investigation then we can possibly have some very sick individuals taken out of commission and put where they cannot harm children.

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      #3.2 - Fri Aug 8, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2415008,"authorDomain":"dungbeetlemania"}
      dungbeetlemania

      I really didn't want to go into child pornography at all in my post because it is so devastating and hard to comprehend why someone would be attracted to destroying the lives of children.

      Mindy, not to undermine what you are saying or your good deeds, but I don't think paedophiles are attracted to destroying children's lives. They're attracted to children's bodies (and, it seems, their innocence), and the usual result of this is some sort of destructive effect. But that is not actually the goal.

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      #3.3 - Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:27 AM EDT
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